3100 Oak Road, Suite 130
3100 Oak Road
Walnut Creek
California
94597
US
(415) 730-4427(415) 730-4427
Maya studied Acupuncture, Herbology, TuiNa massage, Medical QiGong amd TaiQi at Five Branches Institute, College and Clinic of TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine), in Santa Cruz, California. She treated over 400 patients in the college community clinic. She was an intern in the hospitals in the Zhejiang College of TCM in Hangzhou, and in the Chengdu University of TCM in Sichuan, China. She holds a Masters in Traditional Chinese Medicine (MTCM) from Five Branches Institute. She is a Diplomate of Oriental Medicine, US Board Certified (NCCAOM), and is a Licensed Acupuncturist and Herbologist, California State Board Certified (CAB).
About My Practice
She specializes in musculoskeletal pain management, digestive issues, weight loss, women’s health, prenatal and postpartum care, pediatrics, and emotional conditions.
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Samantha Moon, Licensed Acupuncturist and Qualified Medical Evaluator, is an integrative Asian medicine practitioner. Her holistic approach focuses on root c...
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EDUCATION Master of Science: Traditional Chinese Medicine Acupuncture & Herbology Five Branches University － Santa Cruz, Ca Bachelor of Science: Kines...
211 Bean Creek Rd Scotts Valley CA 95067 USA 0 mi
Barbara grew up in upstate New York in the foothills of the Catskill Mountains. Barbara recieved a Master’s Degree in Health Education and a Masters Degree i...
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John, along with his personal friends Ron Zaidman and Charles Belyea, was involved in the creation of Five Branches University in Santa Cruz, CA. He was in t...
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Joshuah Ciafardone is a trained intuitive, Chinese Medical Practitioner, Certified Spirit Coach®, and Sridaiva Instructor. He is a graduate of Five Branches ...
3515 Grand Avenue, Oakland CA 94610 0 mi
Jessica’s interest in Chinese medicine began during her year-long stay in China where she studied Chinese Language and Cultural Studies at Zhejiang uni...
703 Market Street, suite 514 0 mi
415-617-5563415-617-5563
Monet Sexauer is board certified and licensed by the state of CA to practice acupuncture and Chinese herbal medicine. In addition, she holds national credent...
607 San Anselmo Ave San Anselmo CA 94960 USA 0 mi
Pain Management for Acute and Chronic Conditions , Musculo-skeletal, Digestion, Sleep, Immunity Muscle and Joint pain Work/Sports related injuries Post-ope...
20410 Town Center Ln, Suite 150 Cupertino, CA 95014 0 mi
(650)-949-HEAL (4325)(650)-949-HEAL (4325)
She holds a Master’s Degree in Traditional Chinese Medicine, from Five Branches University and is certified as a Diplomate in Acupuncture (Dipl.Ac.) by the N...
582 Market St., Ste. 1909 • San Francisco, CA 94104 0 mi
Ashley holds a Master of Science in Traditional Chinese Medicine with a focus in women’s health. During her study at Five Branches University, she followed h...
885 N. San Antonio Rd. Suite M Los Altos CA 94022 USA 0 mi
Kim completed her masters degree at Five Branches University of Chinese Medicine in Santa Cruz, CA in 2002.She established White Peony Acupuncture in Los Alt...
881 Fremont Avenue A5 Los Altos CA 94024 USA 0 mi
Karen A. Brown, L.Ac.has a Masters in Traditional Chinese Medicine from Five Branches Institute and is state licensed to practice Chinese Medicine in Califor...
2500 Martin Luther King Jr Way, Berkeley, CA 94704, USA 0 mi
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4161 El Camino Way Suite A Palo Alto, CA 94306 0 mi
Nina Price is a licensed acupuncturist and success coach for midlife women.She who helps women over 40 “push the reset button” on their health and the rest o...
12704 Highway 9 P.O. Box 201 Boulder Creek, CA 95006 0 mi
Julie Broder graduated from Five Branches Institute with a Masters in Chinese Medicine in 1999. She studied Western Herbology with Christopher Hobbs in 1988...
2320 Woolsey St. Suite 100 Berkeley CA 94705 USA 0 mi
A graduate of Five Branches Institute of Chinese Medicine (MTCM) in Santa Cruz, Amy completed post-graduate training in China at the Zhejiang College of Trad...
5403 Ste A Scotts Valley Drive Scotts Valley, CA 95066 0 mi
Stephanie DiPietro completed her Oriental Medical Training at Five Branches Institute, a four year college of Traditional Chinese Medicine. Stephanie holds m...
130 Greenfield Ave #2 San Anselmo, CA 94960 0 mi
Practicing in the the SF Bay Area since 2001, Jeffrey has been offering a rich array of healing skills for his patients. With his kind and professional patie...
2006 Dwight Way (Milvia), Suite 208 Berkeley CA 94704 USA 0 mi
May 1987: Graduated from Five Branches Institute of Chinese Medicine in Santa Cruz, CA (1720-hour program) -March 1988: Licensed after passing the California...
977 Valencia St San Francisco CA 94110 USA 0 mi
415-647-3926415-647-3926
895 Sherwood Avenue Suite 101 Los Altos, CA 94022 0 mi
650-468-3636650-468-3636
She is a graduate of Five Branches University, including advanced studies at a hospital in Hangzhou, China. She has also trained in large clinics in the Unit...
201 San Antonio Cir STE 154 Mountain View, CA 94040 0 mi
650-390-3244650-390-3244
Rachel Schneyer is a licensed acupuncturist and herbalist in the State of California.She received her BS in Biology from Mills College in Oakland, California...
862 Folsom St. San Francisco CA 94107 USA 0 mi
Licensed by the State of California to practice Chinese medicine. Earned a four-year Masters degree in Traditional Chinese Medicine from Five Branches in Sa...
100 W El Camino Real #64, Mountain View, CA 94040 0 mi
(650) 988-9100(650) 988-9100
846 Newport Circle, Redwood Shores, Redwood City CA 94065-1914 0 mi
650-375-1332650-375-1332
4161 El Camino Way Palo Alto, CA 94306 0 mi
650-815-8264650-815-8264
799 Main St a, Half Moon Bay, CA 94019 0 mi
(650) 391-7281(650) 391-7281
5523 Scotts Valley Dr, #7 Scotts Valley CA 95066 USA 0 mi
831-438-3901831-438-3901
884 Portola Road, Suite A-5 Portola Valley, Ca 94028 0 mi
Courtney Jonson is a functional medicine practitioner, primary care provider and licensed acupuncturist in the state of California. Her clinical interests ha...
2346 Stuart Street Berkeley CA 94705 USA 0 mi
Sean is the owner of East Bay Acupuncture & Natural Medicine and a licensed acupuncturist. He specializes in both Fertility & Reproductive Medicine, ...
295 Miller Ave, Suite #C Mill Valley CA 94941 USA 0 mi
Arcadia earned a Masters degree in Traditional Oriental Medicine from Five Branches College and Clinic of Traditional Oriental Medicine, in Santa Cruz Califo...
3255 Sacramento St San Francisco, CA 94115 0 mi
415-440-4494415-440-4494
I received my Masters Degree in Traditional Chinese Medicine from Five Branches Institute, Santa Cruz in 2006. Throughout the last ten years, I have had the ...
Little River, California 0 mi
She graduated from Five Branches Institute of Traditional Chinese Medicine.
472 Everett Ave Palo Alto CA 94301 USA 0 mi
745 Distel Drive #206 Los Altos CA 94022 0 mi
408-202-3444408-202-3444
I am an acupuncturist, herbalist and intuitive energy healer. I spent four years studying Traditional Chinese Medicine at Five Branches University in Santa C...
851 Fremont Avenue, Ste 114, Los Altos, CA, United States 0 mi
Carissa has a Master degree in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), and has been practicing and learning from her masters for many years. She grew up in a sma...
320 10th Street, Oakland, CA, United States 0 mi
Graduated from one of the Five Branches University, and learned Traditional Chinese Medicine and Acupuncture from many talented and compassionate Teachers, T...
2920 Broadway Street, ste. C, Redwood City, CA, United States 0 mi
Brandy is a Licensed Acupuncturist/Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) practitioner an Experienced Registered Yoga Teacher at Falcon Healing Arts in Redwood C...
2229 Santa Clara Ave., Suite B, Alameda, CA 94501 0 mi
Dr. Jane Tong Delore completed her Doctoral Program of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (DAOM) at Five Branches University in San Jose, California, focusing...
139 El Camino Real Millbrae, CA 94030 0 mi
650-889-9263650-889-9263
Henry received his Doctorate of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine from Five Branches University, and previously received his Masters of Science in Oriental M...
139 El Camino Real Millbrae, CA 94030 0 mi
650-889-9263650-889-9263
Daniel graduated with a Doctorate of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine from Five Branches University, in San Jose, California. He previously received his Mas...
582 Market Street, Suite 612 San Francisco, CA 94104 0 mi
Dr. Daniel Tao, L.Ac. is a California state board licensed acupuncturist and herbalist working in Stockton, CA and Millbrae, CA. He received his doctoral deg...
PO Box 923 Bolinas, CA 94924 0 mi
Having practiced qigong since 2007, Spencer studied medical qigong at Five Branches University and completed a qigong teacher training with Teja Bell. A stud...
325 N Wiget Ln, Suite 130, Walnut Creek, CA, United States 0 mi
201 San Antonio Circle, Suite 154 Mountain View CA 94040 0 mi
650-949-2777650-949-2777
Camille Vardy, L.Ac., DNBAO received her Master of Traditional Chinese Medicine from Five Branches Institute (now known as Five Branches University) in Santa...
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Holly studied at Five Branches University, completing the Asian Massage and Bodywork program and two years of the Masters Program in Traditional Chinese Medi...
12948 Village Drive, Suite C, Saratoga, CA 95070 0 mi
Degrees and Professional Certifications: Licensed Acupuncturist in the State of California by the California Acupuncture Board. Doctor of Oriental Medicine ...
344 40th Street, Oakland, CA 94609 0 mi
Benjamin is one of the Bay Area’s most respected and knowledgeable herbalists and a licensed acupuncturist. With over 20 years of experience, Benjamin ...
1500 Graham Hill Road, Suite A, Santa Cruz, CA, United States 0 mi
Tara Anderson, L.Ac., FABORM is a Licensed Acupuncturist, Board Certified Fertility Specialist and Fellow of the American Board of Oriental Reproductive Medi...
San Francisco Bay Area 0 mi
Anastacia White has been a practitioner, teacher and consultant of Chinese herbal medicine, working in the herbal industry since 1984. Ms. White conducts sem...
582 Market Street, Suite 612 San Francisco, CA 94104 0 mi
Andrea is licensed to practice acupuncture both nationally, and in the state of California where she is recognized as a Primary Care Provider. While studying...
399 Grand Ave. Oakland, CA 94610 0 mi
Jennifer completed her Master’s degree in Traditional Chinese Medicine from Five Branches University in Santa Cruz, then went on to an externship at the Zhe...
881 Fremont Ave., Suite A5 Los Altos, CA 94024 0 mi
Dr. Jing Lao is a professor and Acupuncturist at Five Branches University.She has more than 15 years of experience in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM). Edu...
4161 El Camino Way, Suite B Palo Alto, Ca 94306 0 mi
He received Process Acupressure sessions for several years, which lead to a Process Acupressure class in 2000. This opened the door to classes in Acupressure...
Santa Cruz, CA 95060 0 mi
My name is Kaz Wegmuller. I am an acupuncturist and herbalist. The methods I use – herbal medicine, scraping, cupping, stone ball, moxa, non-penetratin...
846 Oak Grove Ave 94025, CA 0 mi
(650) 703-3836(650) 703-3836
Five Branches Institute College of Traditional Chinese Medicine 2008 – 2012 Master’s degree, Masters of Traditional Chinese Medicine
885 N. San Antonio Rd. Suite M Los Altos, CA 94022 0 mi
Loren Romley is a California Licensed Acupuncturist as well as a Diplomat of Oriental Medicine (NCCAOM). Loren earned her Master’s degree in Chinese Medicine...
45 San Clemente Ste D-130 Corte Madera, CA 94925 0 mi
David Kitts studied Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine at the Five Branches Institute of Oriental Medicine in Santa Cruz. He has developed his own system of a...
1533 Shattuck Ave. Berkeley, CA 94709 0 mi
(510) 845-2341(510) 845-2341
Five Branches Institute College of Traditional Chinese Medicine 2015 – 2017 Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.), Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine
118 Shirewood Park, Peachtree City, GA, United States
968 W Olive Ave, Sunnyvale, CA 94086
Duane graduated in 2006 with a masters degree in TCM from Five Branches University in Santa Cruz, California. Specialties include allergy elimination, pain m...
6105 Snell Ave. Suite 101, San Jose, CA 95123
EY was born in a Traditional Chinese Medicine family in South Korea. However, EY majored Business from Seoul National University, worked for Samsung Electron...
22049 Old Forty-Four Drive, Ste. 5 Palo Cedro CA 96073 USA
201 San Antonio Cir STE 154 Mountain View, CA 94040
650-390-3244650-390-3244
Rachel Schneyer is a licensed acupuncturist and herbalist in the State of California.She received her BS in Biology from Mills College in Oakland, California...
3942 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Portland, OR 97214
Taya is a graduate of the University of California at Santa Cruz, where she received a bachelor’s degree in psychology. She received her master’s...
202 University Avenue Los Gatos, CA 95032
Adam Atman is an Acupuncturist, Medical Herbalist, Qigong Instructor, Medical Qigong Practitioner, Adam AtmanAsian Bodywork Therapist, Acupuncture College In...
1885 Lundy Avenue, San Jose, CA, United States
408 887 2035408 887 2035
Five Branches University- San Jose Campus Admissions Advisor · San Jose, California
451 March Avenue, Suite B Healdsburg, CA 95448
My name is Lucinda Kotter and I am a Licensed Acupuncturist (LAc). I hold a Masters Degree in TCM from Five Branches Institute (now Five Branches University)...
3333 S Wadsworth Blvd D210, Lakewood, CO 80227
303-922-0079303-922-0079
Marcus Rhoden, L.Ac. practices as an Acupuncturist in Lakewood, CO.He graduated from The Five Branches Institute and has been practicing since 2006.
77-6456 Kilohana St Kailua Kona, HI 96740
(808) 896-8705(808) 896-8705
879 Forty First Avenue Santa Cruz, CA 95062
She is a licensed acupuncturist, herbalist, holistic health coach, and yoga teacher. After years of training with other like-minded experts, She has learned ...
630 Frederick Street, Santa Cruz, CA 95062, United States
Marianne’s area of specialization is Orthopedics and Sports Injuries. She completed extra course work including focused clinical training to receive th...
3065 Porter St. #104 Soquel CA 95073 USA
831-334-2585831-334-2585
240 Oak Meadow Drive, Los Gatos, CA 95032
I have completed my Doctor of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (DAOM) degree with a focus in Cosmetic Acupuncture, specifically Cellulite Reduction Therapy.
235 Se Davis Ave, Bend Oregon, 97702
541-390-6450541-390-6450
Acupuncture Pain Management Womens Health Mental, Emotional Health Herbs & Nutrition Immune Deficiency
150 15th St., Pacific Grove, CA 93950
Dr. Jacquelyn van Deusen-Byrd, L.Ac., DAOM, is a Doctor of Oriental Medicine and California licensed acupuncturist. Hablo Español. Dr. Jacquelyn also holds a...
4986 Cherry Avenue, San Jose, CA, USA
Acup Health Center offer traditional oritental Medicine treatments by means of Acupuncture, Acupressure, Tuina, Herb and Nutrition. Acupuncture has been use...
1087 S. Winchester Blvd. San Jose CA 95128 USA
Nancy Burns is a CA State Board Certified Licensed Acupuncturist and Herbalist. She is a professor at Five Branches University and has been an active member ...
Pain Management Acupuncture Dermatology Ear, Nose, & Throat Endocrinology Gastrointestinal Immune Deficiency Men's Health Mental, Emotional Health Neurology Oncology Pediatrics
2401 24th Street Suite 100, Sacramento, CA 95816
916-444-6047916-444-6047
916-444-3394
Bradley A. Cimino L.Ac graduated from Five Branches Institute in Santa Cruz, CA with a Master’s degree in Traditional Chinese Medicine with a special emphasi...
2815 Knik Ave Anchorage AK 99517 USA
My schooling was completed at Five Branches University in Santa Cruz, California. I earned a Masters in Traditional Chinese Medicine. I also have a BS in Nut...
216-A Mount Hermon Road Scotts Valley, CA 95066
EDUCATION Master of Science: Traditional Chinese Medicine Acupuncture & Herbology Five Branches University － Santa Cruz, Ca Bachelor of Science: Kines...
Standing Now Acupuncture & Ayurveda 4245 Capitola Rd Ste. 103, Capitola, CA
831-588-8169831-588-8169
173 Webbs Mill Rd N, , Floyd Virginia, 24091
540-250-2738540-250-2738
Santa Cruz, CA
Diana Moll has been a licensed Acupuncturist and herbalist since 1999. Her search for ways to assist the body in being a pleasant place to live brought her t...
310 W Line St # A Bishop, CA 93514
(760) 872-9003(760) 872-9003
45 San Clemente Ste D-130 Corte Madera, CA 94925
David Kitts studied Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine at the Five Branches Institute of Oriental Medicine in Santa Cruz. He has developed his own system of a...
San Jose, CA 95125, USA
(408) 279-9001(408) 279-9001
(408) 279-9004
Lokahi Acupuncture specializes in Fertility and Pain Syndromes. Collaboration is at the core of Lokahi. We harness the collective knowledge, experience, and ...
2244 Barton Avenue South Lake Tahoe, CA 96150
I graduated from Five Branches University in Santa Cruz in 2003 and received a Masters Degree in Traditional Chinese Medicine. I started my practice in South...
Silicon Valley Natural Health 5595 Winfield Blvd. #106 San Jose, CA 95123
Her studies took her across the country to Bridgeport, Connecticut where she earned her doctorate in Naturopathic Medicine and two Masters; one in Human Nutr...
Three Lotus Dragon Acupuncture Wellness Center 215 N. San Mateo Dr. Ste 3 San Mateo, CA. 94401
Welcome to The Three Lotus Dragon Acupuncture Wellness Center Your overall health begins with good balanced health. Let us help you protect your most valuabl...
Womens Health Acupuncture Endocrinology Gastrointestinal Herbs & Nutrition Immune Deficiency Life Coaching Mental, Emotional Health
14127 Capri Drive, Los Gatos, CA 95032, United States
Tatyanna is a licensed acupuncturist in the State of California. She holds a BA in Feminist Studies and a Masters in Traditional Chinese Medicine. She atten...
1520 The Alameda #130 San Jose, CA 95126
Janet received her Bachelor’s degree in Biology- Physiology at San Francisco State University. While studying for her Bachelor’s she got a minor in Holistic ...
3535 Ross Avenue, Suite 101, San Jose, Ca. 95124
Charmian Traynor. LAc, CMT earned her masters degree in Traditional Chinese Medicine with a specialization in Five Element acupuncture at Five Branches Unive...
Willow Glen, San Jose, CA, USA
Collaboration is at the core of Lokahi. We harness the collective knowledge, experience, and resources of our clinicians to arrive at the best possible treat...
22 Merrick Lane Northampton, MA 01060
Kathryn Cadwgan is a licensed Acupuncturist and Herbalist, Nationally Certified in Oriental Medicine and a Certified Massage Therapist. She obtained her Mast...
229 W. Miner St. Yreka CA 96097 USA
(530) 842-1000(530) 842-1000
She received a Masters Degree in Traditional Chinese Medicine, from Five Branches Institute in Santa Cruz, California. Geri is an Certified GAPS Diet Practit...
1029 May Street Hood River, OR 97031
(541) 399-3439(541) 399-3439
Nikol Angel Clark is an Oregon State licensed, and national board Certified Acupuncturist and Herbalist serving patients throughout the Columbia River Gorge....
550 Water Street Building K, Unit 2, Santa Cruz, CA 95060
I 1989 began studying Chinese Medicine in Santa Cruz, CA at Five Branches Institute for Chinese Medicine. In 1992 I graduated with a Master of Chinese Medici...
121 West Broadway Avenue, Fairfield, IA, United States
Natan Bar-Shimon has been practicing Acupuncture since 2001. He completed a Doctoral degree in Acupuncture and Chinese Herbal Medicine in 2013. Natan has tau...
200 7th Ave. Santa Cruz CA 95062 USA
Eleonor Mendelson received her Master’s Degree in TCM from Five Branches University and then continued her studies to earn her doctorate degree, with an emph...
1 Oakwood Park, Suite #106 Castle Rock CO 80104 USA
Greg Shim L.Ac. has been practicing Traditional Chinese Medicine for over a decade in Castle Rock, CO. He was the Education Consultant for the Colorado Scho...
310 E. Monte Vista Ave., Suite B Vacaville CA 95688 USA
Dr. Bolz is licensed by the California Acupuncture Board in acupuncture and Chinese herbal medicine. She graduated from Meiji College of Oriental Medicine in...
139 El Camino Real Millbrae, CA 94030
650-889-9263650-889-9263
Daniel graduated with a Doctorate of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine from Five Branches University, in San Jose, California. He previously received his Mas...
Acupuncture Herbs & Nutrition Mental, Emotional Health Immune Deficiency Gastrointestinal Womens Health Pain Management
120 H St, Blue Lake, CA 95525, USA
I attended the Northwest School of Botanical Studies where I completed a “Professional (Western) Herbalist Training.”In the years following I attended Five B...
1288 Kifer Road ste 202, Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Memory care, mental-emotional balance and creative well-being by connecting the heart, mind and body.
40 Ala Malama St Kaunakakai, Molokai HI 96748 USA
4700 S McClintock Dr Ste 105 Tempe, AZ 85282
Jose Montoya, M.S., L.Ac. has a Masters of Science in Acupuncture. He is a currently a Doctoral Fellow at Five Branches University, where he will graduate ne...
600 Celebrate Life Parkway Newnan, GA 30265
(800) 931-9299(800) 931-9299
Mr. Frank earned a doctorate of medical Qigong from the International Institute of Medical Qigong in Monterey, California and through this program, earned ce...
1190 South Bascom Ave. Ste 244 San Jose, CA 95128
621 E. Campbell Ave., Suite #7 Campbell, CA 95008
Five Branches University, Santa Cruz, CA (2008-2012) Masters in Traditional Chinese Medicine; Certification in Tuina Clinical Internships and Externships tre...
100 O'Connor Drive, Suite#11 San Jose CA 95128 USA
408-885-0807408-885-0807
Heerei Park received both a Master’s and Doctorate from Five Branches University. She graduated from Seoul National University College of Nursing, Kore...
6475 Co Rd 203 Durango, CO 81301
970-247-0212970-247-0212
She is a licensed acupuncturist/herbalist who holds a Master’s Degree in Traditional Chinese Medicine from Five Branches Institute in Santa Cruz, California....
1815 Hamilton Ave. San Jose CA 95125 USA
Lanelle trained with Khosrow Khalighi and Shirley Nichols, two master apprentices of the late Professor J.R. Worsley, a man who is known world-wide as a mast...
601 South B Street, Suite A San Mateo, CA 94401
Jeannine Ruskin – who also goes by Pocean, is a licensed Acupuncturist, having graduated from Five Branches University in Santa Cruz.
19000 Portola Dr., Suite 103 Salinas, CA 93908
831 455-8190831 455-8190
495 Piercy Rd, San Jose, CA 95138
888-738-0692888-738-0692
Kecia has been practicing in the field of integrative and alternative health since 2001 and continues to work toward broadening her knowledge on health and w...
35 Executive Park Dr, Suite A Hendersonville TN 37075 USA
615-447-5451615-447-5451
851 Fremont Avenue, Ste 114, Los Altos, CA, United States
Carissa has a Master degree in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), and has been practicing and learning from her masters for many years. She grew up in a sma...